The Berlin Diary of Roger Casement 1914-1916 (Review)

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The Irish who had fought for Britain and were now German prisoners told Casement to fock off
when he tried to recruit them!!! :ROFLMAO:
 

The Potato Mystic

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The Irish who had fought for Britain and were now German prisoners told Casement to fock off
when he tried to recruit them!!! :ROFLMAO:
In fairness, Angloflipflop, British terrorists are well known to be the scum of the earth. Trying to appeal to their better side was never likely to succeed.
 

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It's impossible to commit "high treason" against a tyranny that should be overthrown. Those are the facts. For a so-called Catholic there's alot of guff with you defending monstrous protestant regimes, personalities and yes, even eugenics multinational companies. You are possibly the most unCatholic fellow on here bar perhaps one or two.

Casement went through life acquiring knowledge and new perspectives and evolved his position accordingly. It's not really that difficult to understand. But if you are rigid dogmatist that clings to wrongheaded positions out of spiteful pride, then I guess Casement developing his views will amaze you.
But Casement worked for the British Crown directly for 20 years and accepted a knighthood from it.
During that time he certainly would not have agreed with you that it was tyrannical.

And what has the catholic religion got to do with any of this ?
Are you barking mad?

High treason was a crime against the British state at the time and not only was Casement executed for it but so were other people.
How does any state protect itself against traitors?
I suspect you believe it’s fine to stab your lawful govt in the back after they have given you gainful employment and high honors.
 

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But Casement worked for the British Crown directly for 20 years and accepted a knighthood from it.
During that time he certainly would not have agreed with you that it was tyrannical.



High treason was a crime against the British state at the time and not only was Casement executed for it but so were other people.
How does any state protect itself against traitors?
I suspect you believe it’s fine to stab your lawful govt in the back after they have given you gainful employment and high honors.

It's fine to oppose tyranny, this is what I believe and know to be true. Indeed, we are morally mandated to oppose tyranny. And that's what Casement did.

You would have Casement live in error all his life. You would have him bury himself in lies - as you do. Later in his life Casement acquired new understandings and adjusted his conduct accordingly. As is right & proper for any man.


And what has the catholic religion got to do with any of this ?
So you put aside your Catholicism as if it was a hobby?

A true Catholic sees the world through a Catholic prism and would never speak in the liberal-protestant way as you do.

You see a grossly heretical regime that broke with The One True Church as "lawful". I see it as a tyranny. It has broken with God. Indeed, in the period of Casement's lynching, the British regime was involved in the massacre of millions on the continent.
 

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It's fine to oppose tyranny, this is what I believe and know to be true. Indeed, we are morally mandated to oppose tyranny. And that's what Casement did.

You would have Casement live in error all his life. You would have him bury himself in lies - as you do. Later in his life Casement acquired new understandings and adjusted his conduct accordingly. As is right & proper for any man.


So you put aside your Catholicism as if it was a hobby?

A true Catholic sees the world through a Catholic prism and would never speak in the liberal-protestant way as you do.

You see a grossly heretical regime that broke with The One True Church as "lawful". I see it as a tyranny. It has broken with God. Indeed, in the period of Casement's lynching, the British regime was involved in the massacre of millions on the continent.
The Catholic Church requires its members to support legitimate govt authority.
The British govt of Casements day had hundreds of thousands of catholic men fighting in France against what they believed was German tyranny.
According now to your twisted outlook these men were not Catholics at all because they fought for the British govt.

Your argument has now devolved to a sectarian religious one whereby all Catholics have an obligation to annihilate Protestant England .
Have you the remotest idea of just how daft your position has become?

Casement was a PROTESTANT up to a few minutes before his death.

According now again to your irrational outlook Catholics had a duty to annihilate the Protestant Sir Casement man when he was working diligently , as he did, for the Protestant British Crown for 20 years.
 

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The Catholic Church requires its members to support legitimate govt authority.
The British govt of Casements day had hundreds of thousands of catholic men fighting in France against what they believed was German tyranny.
According now to your twisted outlook these men were not Catholics at all because they fought for the British govt.

Your argument has now devolved to a sectarian religious one whereby all Catholics have an obligation to annihilate Protestant England .
Have you the remotest idea of just how daft your position has become?

Casement was a PROTESTANT up to a few minutes before his death.

According now again to your irrational outlook Catholics had a duty to annihilate the Protestant Sir Casement man when he was working diligently , as he did, for the Protestant British Crown for 20 years.
The Catholic Church requires its members to collaborate with a heretical state to butcher millions of people? That ain't rational at all. But that is your position.

Catholics have a moral obligation to overthrow tyranny (everybody has this obligation) and return the English people to the Church. There are various ways of doing this of course, some more discreet than others. Casement was involved in an effort to expel the British. This effort had many devout men as its leaders. His life experiences were also so transformative he converted to Catholicism.

In any event if we must do that protestanty thing that you do and leave Catholicism on the shelf as if it was a hobby or a costume for endless posturing, Casement did a great service attempting to wrench Ireland away from a commercial empire so bloody mindedly reckless that it was torturing/murdering astronomical numbers of its own young people in the trenches allegedly to "liberate" "civilisation" from goodness knows what.
 

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The Catholic Church requires its members to collaborate with a heretical state to butcher millions of people? That ain't rational at all. But that is your position.

Catholics have a moral obligation to overthrow tyranny (everybody has this obligation) and return the English people to the Church. There are various ways of doing this of course, some more discreet than others. Casement was involved in an effort to expel the British. This effort had many devout men as its leaders. His life experiences were also so transformative he converted to Catholicism.

In any event if we must do that protestanty thing that you do and leave Catholicism on the shelf as if it was a hobby or a costume for endless posturing, Casement did a great service attempting to wrench Ireland away from a commercial empire so bloody mindedly reckless that it was torturing/murdering astronomical numbers of its own young people in the trenches allegedly to "liberate" "civilisation" from goodness knows what.


Son of a British military officer Sir Casement. served the British Crown diligently and loyally for 20 years during which he received a knighthood from them.
Your argument runs away from the inconvenient truth that Casement then turned on his former benefactors and stabbed them in the back.

Religion has zero to do with this truth concerning the treacherous sir casement.

You are like some mad catholic Taliban figure ready to headhack any catholics who fought for the British Crown and yet exonerate in full protestant traitors like Casement.
 

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Son of a British military officer Sir Casement. served the British Crown diligently and loyally for 20 years during which he received a knighthood from them.
Your argument runs away from the inconvenient truth that Casement then turned on his former benefactors and stabbed them in the back.
That's one way of putting it, another is that he was a basically decent man who woke up and acted accordingly.
 

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Son of a British military officer Sir Casement. served the British Crown diligently and loyally for 20 years during which he received a knighthood from them.
Your argument runs away from the inconvenient truth that Casement then turned on his former benefactors and stabbed them in the back.

Religion has zero to do with this truth concerning the treacherous sir casement.

You are like some mad catholic Taliban figure ready to headhack any catholics who fought for the British Crown and yet exonerate in full protestant traitors like Casement.
Tarring a man for his father and criticising him for refusing to be a blind dogmatist. None of that is very Catholic. I'd expect that from lumpenprole presbyterian preacher.

I'm actually holding you to your own supposed Catholic values. And we find you have no Catholic values. Just prideful incoherency.

Treachery against a tyranny & injustice is no treachery at all.
 

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Tarring a man for his father and criticising him for refusing to be a blind dogmatist. None of that is very Catholic. I'd expect that from lumpenprole presbyterian preacher.

I'm actually holding you to your own supposed Catholic values. And we find you have no Catholic values. Just prideful incoherency.

Treachery against a tyranny & injustice is no treachery at all.
Casement benefitted enormously and personally from his services to the British Crown over two decades.
He then turns about and decides everything that institution stands for must be annihilated and works to that end.
Thats high treason and the majority of British people saw it that way.

There was no tyranny or injustice inflicted upon the well to do Casement himself quite the opposite.

There is little to admire in types like Casement and that it took his imminent death to see the actual truth of Catholicism to which he was no doubt aware of for decades prior tells us even more about his highly unstable character
 
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The Catholic Church requires its members to collaborate with a heretical state to butcher millions of people? That ain't rational at all. But that is your position.

Catholics have a moral obligation to overthrow tyranny (everybody has this obligation) and return the English people to the Church. There are various ways of doing this of course, some more discreet than others. Casement was involved in an effort to expel the British. This effort had many devout men as its leaders. His life experiences were also so transformative he converted to Catholicism.

In any event if we must do that protestanty thing that you do and leave Catholicism on the shelf as if it was a hobby or a costume for endless posturing, Casement did a great service attempting to wrench Ireland away from a commercial empire so bloody mindedly reckless that it was torturing/murdering astronomical numbers of its own young people in the trenches allegedly to "liberate" "civilisation" from goodness knows what.
They destroyed the Kaiser regime and paved the way for something much worse.
 

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Casement benefitted enormously and personally from his services to the British Crown over two decades.
He then turns about and decides everything that institution stands for must be annihilated and works to that end.
Thats high treason and the majority of British people saw it that way.

There was no tyranny or injustice inflicted upon the well to do Casement himself quite the opposite.

There is little to admire in types like Casement and that it took his imminent death to see the actual truth of Catholicism to which he was no doubt aware of for decades prior tells us even more about his highly unstable character
There's little to admire in self proclaimed true Catholics who swill down aborted baby juice in the hope to staving off death for another few months.

But Casement's moral compass....
 

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Casement benefitted enormously and personally from his services to the British Crown over two decades.
He then turns about and decides everything that institution stands for must be annihilated and works to that end.
Thats high treason and the majority of British people saw it that way.

There was no tyranny or injustice inflicted upon the well to do Casement himself quite the opposite.

There is little to admire in types like Casement and that it took his imminent death to see the actual truth of Catholicism to which he was no doubt aware of for decades prior tells us even more about his highly unstable character
So someone who commits error should persist in committing error and never elevate themselves above past errors? I take what I said above back - you don't resemble any Christian sentiments whatsoever.

Casement was a martyr to free a Catholic country. He gave up his life. Actual Catholics appreciate this. Stubborn dogmatists, who clumsily take dumb positions and dig in when corrected, won't get this.
 

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